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Posts: 11666 (08/23/05 15:06:32) Hopeless Romantic Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None I'm sorry I didn't have the thread up at the usual time. I unexpectedly was away from the computer all weekend and couldn't get back here until now. It probably won't surprise you all that I still haven't caught up with the DVD viewing. In any case, I hope you'll still comment and I do hope to join you all soon. ~~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~~ We want you at The Briefing Room's LFN S2 DVD discussions The Briefing Room also hosts discussions for: * MI-5 (Spooks) on DVD * "No one from the outside can understand who we are." ~ M to N in Escape
Unregistered(d)	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#1	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/27/05 10:10:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Where is everyone? Okay, I'll start. Easily the best hour of season two, right up there with War. There is relatively little "action" in the episode, but the tension is amazing, and the storyline.. as is said in the commentary, who knew? To this day I still wonder if the third season wasn't delayed partially to offset any political fallout from the plotline. Nikita starts out the episode trying to get a file and is nearly reported by Walter. Turns out is was the wrong file, so Adrian gives her a device to track Michael's movements and find where the "Gemstone" file is located. Nikita gets the file, and then her stalker-ish tendencies kick in and she tries to locate M's home address. This causes a security breach. (I know Adrian thinks it meant something else, but it most likely didn't.) N misses getting caught by the inquiry afterwards, but when she tries to deliver the file to a government official, the official has been shot. Panicked, she and Adrian get to Adrian's home and are caught.... anyone else wanna continue the summary?
blackcondor1	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#2	[-]
Posts: 772 (08/27/05 22:52:11) Michael's Team Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I will continue even though I am still to re-watch this one... I last watched this episode in June, and it is one of my favourites. ..... Strangely enough, Adrian does not appear to be too concerned with her own well being, but rather with telling everyone of the Operations' continuous grab for power, even though she knows that she is up for cancellation. Operations surprisingly tells Adrian that, throughout this plot, Nikita was his spy. Of course, that is obviously a lie, since that is simply not Nikita at this point in time. He is about to dismiss her, but she stubbornly tells him that she is staying. Adrian is about to be sent to her death, when Nikita announces that she made a copy of the Gemstone File and that should something hapen to her, it would be published and result in a scandal etc. That is when Operations (and God bless whoever wrote his script) says something, which I find kind of prophetic: he explains that Saddam Hussein, while a tyrant, controls all the unstable "elements" around him, and that should he be removed from power a disaster involving war and terrorism would occur, and within a number of years people may be plunged into the new Dark Ages. I had always been one of the people who wanted Saddam out, and did not see this episode before May this year, but when I did see it I realised that what Operations said in this "Section trial" was very close to being spot on. To this Adrian replies with her own projection of Section One becoming a very powerful "behind-the-scenes" ruler in many places of the world within a few years, if Nikita did not destroy Section now. Naturally, Operations has a good reason for this, too. So, in the end, Nikita sides with Operations and makes a phone call to destroy the copy of the Gemstone File. Adrian realises that she has been betrayed, but tells Nikita that she is still the best chance the world has against Section. Operation looks kind of weird giving Adrian a good-bye kiss: like they were once friends. There is certainly some sort of respect between these two. Later, Operations orders Madeline to cancel Adrian. As for Nikita, on Madeline's suggestion they increase her mission load in order for her to become less efficient and die on one of the missions. Overall, I liked this episode a lot. Nikita is really cool playing a spy for Adrian, and Operations sounds really prophetic with his warning about the future. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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Posts: 0 (08/28/05 05:43:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	blackcondor -- *Quote:* Operations surprisingly tells Adrian that, throughout this plot, Nikita was his spy. Of course, that is obviously a lie, since that is simply not Nikita at this point in time. Oh, I disagree! If she was given a profile by Operations in which she was assigned to "smoke out" Adrian, she would carry it out! She had no allegiance to Adrian yet...she didn't know who she was! I think once she was contacted by Adrian, she WAS a spy and she was working undercover in Adrian's organization, just as Madeline and Operations claimed! *Quote:* Operation looks kind of weird giving Adrian a good-bye kiss: like they were once friends. There is certainly some sort of respect between these two. I doubt they were ever friends, but I do think there was once a mutual respect between them that went sour somewhere along the line. $:\$ GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo
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Posts: 0 (08/28/05 06:44:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Poor Nikita: spying on Operations and Section for Center, spying Adrian for Operations, spying Section for Adrian: in a trascript of the ep I read, the transcriber summed this up pretty well : "a spy being a spy being a spy being a spy" My head hurts! Poor Michael: being used like that, not to mention being lied to IN HIS face... and being left clueless. Adn I think it torn him up inside having to rat her in to Operations like that ( BTW if it weren't just a test for him and me being happy he "passed" I'd be VERY upset for that ) and having her refuse his offer to set her free again, TWICE. He must've felt pretty powerless... Poor baby! The fridge scene. D@rn SEXY!!!!! but i'm still having trouble delimiting his real feelings and the valentining he's doing to get her to speak. Of course, the magic goes away when in the next scene..he rats her out In a way...Michael's actions are kinda contradictory: he goes t oextremes offering her freedom again twice, but after the whole thing gets out of the bag...and he knows she probably faces cancellation...he just LEAVES her ALONe in the middle of the Section..and goes home...NOT EVER TRYING to see what happens to her? ( but I'm getting into S3 here...) Not good!! But the kiss and the almost hug from the tag.....HR bigtime for S2...and in the middle of Section nonetheless. Big thud! ( I think that's why my back hurts, from all these thuds )
blackcondor1	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#5	[-]
Posts: 772 (08/28/05 07:16:50) Michael's Team Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Mmm... intrigue, intrigue, intrigue - smorgasboard! Now that is MY kind of a good story line! Although, I must admit that I will need to re-watch this episode to understand it a little more - especially on the point of Nikita spying on Adrian for Operations, KG I did not think she was spying for Operations, because he sent Michael after her when she stole the Gemstone File, and she refused to give it to Michael. Now, who wants to do some drinking and some espionage? "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
Unregistered(d)	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#6	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/28/05 11:34:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Its been a while since I watched this one, too. But here's how I remember it. Nikita's spy capabilities definitely shine through in this ep. I'm not sure if she really was working for Operations, or if he lied about that. She's dead-set still on protecting Michael. But at the same time has to use him, lie to him, and turn him away. Adrian is one of those characters I didn't like from the start. She's comparable to Operations, whereas she had her own agenda, and will manipulate anyone to acheive her goals. Well, I guess most people are probably like that. But they take it to the extreme. I hated that Carla died. She had been a good friend to Nikita in S1. And I really don't think she wanted to hurt Nikita by betraying her. Even though she never showed any remorse, either. She was much colder in S2. I have a feeling TPTB hadn't known their intentions for Carla when she was introduced in S1. I'm glad Nikita stood up in Section at the end. She showed her strength and growth so far, demanding the opportunity to stand up for what is right for the world. But who can really make that decision? How do we know she made the right choice? In Section, Hussein was never taken out. Terrorism never seemed to increase or decrease. We can compare it to real life, but not really. Do we not face the same questions now with BinLaden? I know, I don't really want to go there. But I'm just imagining the pressure Nikita would have felt trying to decide who was right in their predictions of Sections' and the world's future. "It took me four days to find Nikita. That leaves eleven" We want you at The Briefing Room's LFN S2 DVD discussions
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Posts: 0 (08/29/05 02:42:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Blackcondor-- *Quote:* I did not think she was spying for Operations, because he sent Michael after her when she stole the Gemstone File, and she refused to give it to Michael. But she WAS spying for Operations. First of all, both Maddy& Ops admited choosing her for the asignment, for her "abilities" to play for both sides, and for Nikita's ability to let Adrian decieve herself Secondly...they found Adrian pretty soon and eliminated her people, they couldn't have done that without knowing what she was up to, from Nikita, and Adrian herself admitted that Section and Ops mainly, had worked exactly the way she had taught him : " Facilitate and then destroy." He let her believe she had all the cards, thus making her use all of her resorces and exposing her entire organization. None of it wouldn't have been posible, without Nikita, a person whom Adrian came to trust. As for Nikita's refusal to give the Gemston file to Michael...she HAD to to so!!!! Adrian was listening, thus Michael's life was still in danger! Besides...the whole stealing the file scam...I believe it was in Ops' plan too, from the beginning. By letting Nikita steal it...and putting that whole show about finding the culprit, he totally fooled Adrian too. I think it was the last thing that held her from using all of her agents and the resources of her organization. He smoked her out with that! I asked a couple of questions at the EG thread on ARD, mainly : "Why weren't there any surveilance cameras in the room with the Gemston?" I mean come on...the most important files and you DON'T have cameras??? That's pretty dumb!! And the second one: "Why didn't they check for fingerprints?" Nikita didn't wear any gloves so her fingerprints must've been all over the place I know they weren't REALLY trying to get her, but they could've at least try and save appearances KG answered that too for me: mainly that Ops already knew what Nikita was up to, since she was working for him, and even if there was surveillance they didn't bother to check Works for me! Now...I'll take that My throat completely dried from that speech Elevendaze-- *Quote:* Nikita's spy capabilities definitely shine through in this ep. I'm not sure if she really was working for Operations, or if he lied about that. I agree about Nikita's spy abilities, as for her working for Ops...see the above answer *Quote:* She's dead-set still on protecting Michael. But at the same time has to use him, lie to him, and turn him away. Protecting Michael... as usual... *Quote:* Adrian is one of those characters I didn't like from the start I kinda liked Adrian...except for her using Michael and endangering him like that I wishe she'd succeeded in destroying Section 1 and M&N be together OK, OK...Waking up now...There wouldn't be any series left if she had succeeded! *Quote:* I have a feeling TPTB hadn't known their intentions for Carla when she was introduced in S1. I'm SURE they didn't, but then again...what else is new?
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Posts: 0 (08/29/05 06:11:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	blackcondor -- *Quote:* I must admit that I will need to re-watch this episode to understand it a little more - especially on the point of Nikita spying on Adrian for Operations, KG And you call yourself a "spy" fan? elevendaze -- *Quote:* She's dead-set still on protecting Michael. But at the same time has to use him, lie to him, and turn him away. He's done the same for her. It's the way their relationship works, unfortunately. Pattyko -- *Quote:* But the kiss and the almost hug from the tag.....HR bigtime for S2...and in the middle of Section nonetheless. Big thud! I don't know WHY everyone makes such a big deal out of that! Section was EMPTY when he did it! $:\$ Good explanation to elevendaze, babe! GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo
blackcondor1	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#9	[-]
Posts: 772 (08/29/05 07:09:39) Michael's Team Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	KG and Pattyko, Well, that is why I need to watch this episode again It normally takes me at least a couple of times to understand movies/TV episodes completely "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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Posts: 0 (08/29/05 11:12:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	KG-- *Quote:* don't know WHY everyone makes such a big deal out of that! Section was EMPTY when he did it! Remeber Inside Out, whe thet thought they were DYING and they were ALONE in the mission van, for the ENTIRE night...and still.... NOTHING!!! Need I say more?? It IS a big deal, Section being empy or not! *Quote:* Good explanation to elevendaze, babe! Thank you! Blackcondor-- *Quote:* Well, that is why I need to watch this episode again It normally takes me at least a couple of times to understand movies/TV episodes completely While I do understand new things each time I watch a movie/series...and it's true that soem things can only be understood by watching a second time or third time, this time they TOLD you that N was a spy and Nikita admited herself
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Posts: 0 (08/29/05 16:38:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	blackcondor -- Pattyko -- *Quote:* Remeber Inside Out, whe thet thought they were DYING and they were ALONE in the mission van, for the ENTIRE night...and still.... NOTHING!!! Need I say more?? It IS a big deal, Section being empy or not! They weren't SURE if they were dying. It was just a POSSIBILITY. $:\$ *Quote:* Thank you! You're welcome! *Quote:* this time they TOLD you that N was a spy and Nikita admited herself Maybe she thought they were speaking in code? GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo
Unregistered(d)	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#12	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/30/05 06:05:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	KG-- *Quote:* They weren't SURE if they were dying. It was just a POSSIBILITY. Sure...be picky, but if when you think you're gonna die and you do nothing...therefore the fans got zero cut in four...when they hug& kiss in Section..it IS a BIG DEAL! *Quote:* Maybe she thought they were speaking in code? Never thought of that. Now that sheds a new light so...did she think Jones spoke in code too?
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Posts: 0 (08/30/05 16:00:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Pattyko -- *Quote:* Sure...be picky, but if when you think you're gonna die and you do nothing...therefore the fans got zero cut in four...when they hug& kiss in Section..it IS a BIG DEAL! WHAT-EVAR! *Quote:* Never thought of that. Now that sheds a new light so...did she think Jones spoke in code too? Beats me! GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo
blackcondor1	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#14	[-]
Posts: 772 (08/30/05 16:34:51) Michael's Team Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Pattyko, *Quote:* this time they TOLD you that N was a spy and Nikita admited herself Yes, indeed, "they" did tell me, but they lie so often that I did not believe them; and I am unaware of Nikita admitting it. That is why I need to watch this again. KG, *Quote:* Maybe she thought they were speaking in code? No, but I have seen enough of Operations and Madeline to know that they lie whenever it suits them And I also believed that Nikita did want to destroy Section. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
Unregistered(d)	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#15	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/31/05 02:10:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	KG-- Blackcondor-- Happy viewing babe! I'm sure it'll be such a burden...having to watch it again...especially the HR moments...or the Nikita being a spy LOL!!
blackcondor1	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#16	[-]
Posts: 772 (08/31/05 02:16:49) Michael's Team Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Pattyko, *Quote:* I'm sure it'll be such a burden...having to watch it again...especially the HR moments...or the Nikita being a spy LOL!! I will sure enjoy such sweet "mental torture" LOL I LOVE LFN! jumps for joy "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
Unregistered(d)	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#17	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/31/05 06:16:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Pattyko & blackcondor -- Where's my shaking head emoticon? GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo
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Posts: 0 (08/31/05 11:16:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Blackcondor-- Make sure you STOP jumping when you watch LFN otherwise...the characters will look funny and jumpy KG-- I kinda miss many emoticons I got used to using
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Posts: 0 (08/31/05 15:01:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Pattyko -- It makes board-hopping very difficult! $:\$ GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo
Unregistered(d)	Re: LFN on DVD: End Game	#20	[-]
Posts: 0 (08/31/05 18:25:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I remember thinking the first time I saw this ep., and as I was to discover later many other fans had the same impression when Nikita was revealed to be working for Operations, that turnabout is fair play. For so much of our LFN viewing experience, we were so used to seeing Micheal in the loop with Nikita being left out, that watching the reverse was a little refreshing. I'm repeating myself, but I have a great deal of admiration for Adrian. She seems to be the ultimate embodiment of British stoicism. I also enjoyed the dynamic between Adrian and Nikita. Before seeing S5, I believed that a familial link between Adrian and Nikita might have existed. It would have been interesting to see Adrian as Phillip's sister, Nikita's aunt considering their " bond." Speaking of possibilties which were to be disapointed, (for me anyway) until Nikita finally decided to give Section its reprieve, I entertained the idea that the third season would open with Ops and Madeline trying to regain Section from Adrian's grasp, with Micheal and Nikita forced to take sides. A perfectly credible plotline from my point of view, ofcourse I was a little off. Oh well. Watching Micheal's reaction to Nikita letting Ops or Section off the hook, he looked like he could have either been relieved that Nikita made the decision she made, or in pain because she was once more vulnerable to retribution by Ops. Or both. Micheal closed his eyes and visibly reacted to external events. (Amazing) Micheal told Nikita that she had six hours before Ops could get authorization to have her cancelled. He might have walked away from Nikita after the kiss, but I bet he didn't leave Section until Madeline told him Nikita would be on an upcoming mission. 'Course he didn't know the future missions were supposed to kill her, but I'm getting ahead of myself. Finally, I think this episode explained Ops and Madeline's constant interference in Micheal and Nikita's relationship. Just like thieves constantly being paranoid that another thief will steal their ill- gotten goods from them, Ops and Madeline were afraid that Micheal and Nikita would repay their mentorship the same way they repaid Adrian's, with a coup of their own. Too bad they couldn't have understood that M&N were too loyal and honorable to take such a path. ( Yes I'm ignoring that last minute gotcha in S4 )

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