The introduction of Hillinger ... 'nuff said.
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I didn't get a chance to watch the episode before kickoff time, but here's the thread for those of you who did get a chance to watch this one and are itchin' to comment.
The introduction of Hillinger ... 'nuff said. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Greg Hillinger - arrogant, obnoxious child who's convinced he's smarter than everyone else. I just can't stand that in a person!
Nikita tried so hard to help him, and he threw it in her face. Until he realized he really wasn't leaving Section. One minute he wants to stay and the next he plants a virus so they have to let him go. But no one out-smarts Section. And Operations certainly has no patience for juvenile arrogance. I just love the way Birkoff calls him a "one trick pony." You can definitely see the jealousy there, but Birky also realizes that Hillinger only has so much talent. The logic is there, but he has very little street smarts/common sense. It really is a shame he didn't get to leave in the end. Now Birkoff has to put up with him! Nikita and the heroin dealers.....CLASSIC! "It took me four days to find Nikita. That leaves eleven"
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A solid core episode of Nikita, one I liked from beginning to end.
First, after watching more than half of the third season, it is nice to see Maddy with hair! Her full, luxurious mane of auburn hair! I know the change was likely due to Alberta's cancer treatments, but still, I like her better with long hair. In the opening, as Birkoff is trying to wrestle with the numbers, am I the only one who thinks of the Blade Runner theme music? The running down corridors to find the bomb... I don't think the third season has nearly enough of that kinda thing. In Nikita's apartment, I think this is the first time I've paid attention to that cool glass countertop/3D sink arrangement. Very chic. However, the B story of the neighbor gives us some really weird timelines. The resolution seems to happen the same night as her having to be at Hillinger's place. Poor girl, worn out by the end of it no doubt. As for Hillinger, it was fun seeing Ops having to shut up more than once. I shudder to think how many poor operatives got put in abeyance that week as he vented. |
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I kind of liked Hillinger in this episode. After watching season three, my opinion of him has changed, but not for the better.
And you are right, season three is different in many ways from the first two seasons. For instance, in season three, I am no longer envious of Nikita's wardrobe. She is towing the line and wearing standard section-wear. It kind of makes for a drab looking section without Nikita's bursts of color and texture. I will enjoy discussing the details in our upcoming discussions. |
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Hillinger...oh brother...that arrogant little S#it!!! ITA agree with you Elevendaze, with H's characterization in a nutshell.
Quote: Tell me about it! Make up your mind already! H was a brilliant mathematician and stuff, but otherwise he wasn't bright at all if you ask me. Somebody kindaps you from your house..they put a hood on your face and you think they're playing??? Didn't it occur to him the hood was for his own protection and that if he saw anything he would be doomed?? Of course not...he was too busy being an arrogant smarta$$. Quote: I was rather surprised that Ops kept his calm with H. And since we're on the calm topic....you've got to give Birkoff A LOT of credit for keeping his cool around H as much as he did. I think I would have put him in his place right after the first 2 seconds he started speaking!!! Quote: He did keep things funny. Who would have thought somebody would be talking like that to OPERATIONS?????? Another thing that bugs me is when Maddy catches N trying to cover H: first of all, she seems genuinely sorry when she tells H that he had been warned. seconldy...the "incident" will be overlooked? No lectures to N?? She gets away with it?? Oh...and another thing...after seeing the bloopers from this ep....with Gene hurting himself and the other one with Roy and Alberta cracking up.....the scenes were never the same. I keep expecting them to crack up ![]() |
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This wasn't one of my favorite episodes. Although it was funny to see Hillinger talk back to operations I can't Believe he took it. I really don't like Hillinger he is to smart for his own good. Poor Birkoff he tried so hard in the begining trying to crack the code. The look on Hillingers face when nikita showed him the opertive being tortured for seeing an old girlfriend. It was the first timed Hillinger looked scared. Also, Nikita not getting any punishment for taking Hillinger to see the opertive was odd.
Nikita and the heroin dealers were so funny "hey guys we're in here we've got your heroin" It was so funny |
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Oh, I forgot to add, when Maddy says "We'll be watching you more closely".. uh, given the number of times they've told Nikita that, seems to me the only way they could watch her any closer would be cameras in her undergarments or cybernetic implants.
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QuiGon -
Quote: I'm sure all the guys out there would just love that one!!! "It took me four days to find Nikita. That leaves eleven"
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Quote:Elevendaze, I get the feeling that Section never really intended on returning Greg to the regular population. Granted, Section made it seem like Greg dug his own grave, but the fact that he could crack such a sophisticated code in a short amount of time made him an asset to Section. Then when he planted that virus and crippled Section's defenses, Section knew for sure that Greg was needed in Section in some capacity. Quote:While I always like seeing N kick some a$$, I must admit that the B storyline involving Barry turned me off. He was so bumbling, and it just seemed to take away from the main story. I would have much rather seen more tug-of-war between Hillinger and Birky or more mission than Barry and his idiocy. Also, it appears that he lives in the apartment across the hall. Isn't that Mick's apartment, or does that becomes Mick apartment after Barry moves out? Quote:QuiGonJ, Alberta is absolutely stunning with that long hair, and I love how she looks in the dress she's wearing in this episode. Talk about smokin'! Quote:I hadn't thought of it before, but just your mention of BR makes me want to pop that one in. Do you prefer the original or the director's cut? Quote:That had to be one of the best things about Hillinger's introduction. I love how he refers to Ops as the guy with a bullfrog in his throat. And that look that Ops gives when Hillinger wonders about the language in the documents he has to sign, that's classic. Quote:Webweevil, perhaps the lack of color or N often wearing white while everyone else is wearing black shows the evolution of N in Section. In the beginning, she was more of an individual and a bit younger so the color and life was there. Now that she's more mature and has been in Section for some time, it's starting to get to her and she's integrating. Quote:Patty, I think Birky was smart enough to know that the harder he pushed, the harder Hillinger would make it on everyone. Because Birky was threatened a bit by Hillinger's skill, I think Birky wanted Hillinger out of there A.S.A.P. before Section decided they wanted Hillinger over Birky. Quote:ShadesOfGrey, Kris Lemche certainly did an excellent job in this scene. You really believed that Hillinger was shaken to the core by the torture, and who wouldn't be? ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Jessi -
Quote: I think you're right. I just felt for him. And Operations, I'm sure, hated that he was such an ass-et! Quote: Yeah, should've been a cancelled scene! But the way she called the dealers in and was so smug eating her apple, and says "I flushed it down the toilet"!! "It took me four days to find Nikita. That leaves eleven"
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JESSI --
Quote:BLECH. ![]() GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. ![]() NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo |
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NIGHTJESSI |
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Quote:Oh yeah, elevendaze, I think it totally burned Ops when Maddy said how likely it was that Hillinger would succeed in Section. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Okay folks,
I just managed to catch up with this week's episode, so here is "my two cents": It is kind of strange to watch Birkoff get grumpy with his whole department in the opening scene. Very unusual of Birkoff, I must admit. Operations is not happy that Birkoff cannot delegate what he is doing, but naturally Madeline explains that they have been after this particular elusive group of terrorists for quite some time, but that finally Birkoff had a transmission that could lead to the location of this group. Begrudgingly, Operation agrees to give Birkoff until the morning to decrypt the transmission. It looks like Birkoff decrypts it, but the location revealed is a trap and practically a whole team is lost. Operation takes it surprisingly well, considering that normally an operative would at least be put in abeyance for a failure like this. Instead, he gives Birkoff the task of finding a high-level mathematician/computer geek from outside. Birkoff finds 3 people, but 2 of them are behind the iron curtain so to speak. The third one happens to be a teenage University professor who, due to his age, is still living with his Mom. Enter Greg Hillinger. What no one realizes, however, is that Hillinger is quite a handful. He is arrogant and disrespectful of everybody to the point of not caring that he has been kidnapped and is potentially in danger, so he does not follow the instructions that could have kept him protected from staying in Section indefinitely. He practically seals his fate when he leaves his room to go fishing, and it is only after Nikita shows him what happens in the White Room that he belatedly feels afraid. What follows is slightly surreal. Hillinger somehow leaves a virus in the Section computers. One wonders if that happened before or after Hillinger was caught by Madeline in the outside corridor. Naturally this immature genius uses this situation to blackmail Operations into letting him go. One should see the expression on the Operations face when Hillinger is being told to sign the non-disclosure agreements and baldly states that it depends on what kind of an agreement. It looks like the ruthless leader of Section 1 just wishes to cancel this boy on the spot. The scene is a classic! Naturally, Hillinger is tricked by the operatives, and is taken back into section after he stops the virus. Madeline develops an integration programme, and, to Operations disapproval, the survival likelihood of Hillinger in Section is over 92%. On the home front Nikita has a new neighbour in this episode. Barry. He appears to be a bit simple, until Nikita discovers that he is involved in drug dealing. To top it off, he seems to think that after he stole the heroin, all he had to do was to return it to the goons and that he would be fine. Luckily Nikita was there to save the idiots a$$. I really liked the scene where she very efficiently takes care of the goons in her apartment: Three, five, seven, black. I have been exposed. Send Housekeeping. - This quote is such a classic! Overall, I enjoyed watching this episode, apart from the scene where Michael loses practically a whole team, because the message initially decoded is an outer shell. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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Quote: She's so cool with that Quote: Well...he didn't really enjoy NOT having all the answers Quote: Yeah....well...not Birky. As KG pointed out in her commentaries..it's funny to see how there weren't really any repercursions on Birky ![]() |
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Pattyko --
Quote:My ears are burning again. ![]() GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. ![]() NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo |
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KG--Uhm....sorry? (NOT!)
What can I say? You know I'm a big fan...and when I like something, I tend to remember ALL the details ![]() |
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NIGHTJESSI |
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Quote:Blackcondor, that was definitely out of character for Birky. Perhaps this was the first time that he had really been stumped, and it was eating away at him that he wasn't as good as he thought he was. After all, everyone in Section knows that the minute you're not useful anymore, it's Abeyance for you. Quote:I definitely think Hillinger put the virus in the computer the minute that Birky hooked him into the "read-only" access on the system. Hillinger knew he wasn't supposed to go exploring and needed an insurance policy if he got caught. He was arrogant enough to think that he was invincible and that he could hold Section hostage and get away. Boy was he wrong! Quote:Barry was really clueless. He should have known that skimming off the top would be noticed, and how did he possibly think that all would be forgiven if he just returned the heroin? Moron! Quote:Patty, maybe the reason why Birky wasn't really reprimanded was because Hillinger was so annoying that he deflected any heat that Birky would have been given. Granted, Birky initially fell for the bogus code and aided Hillinger in infiltrating the system, but Birky also helped to trap Hillinger into releasing Section's system later so all was good in the end. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Quote: Half a kilogram a heroin could hardly be just "skimming off the top". HOW on earth did he think he'd get away with it and tha they wouldn't notice. ITA! Moron!! And it's a mild term for him!!! Quote: Well....I was refering to the whole series actually. B never really got punished severly (except Noise when he faced abeyance) not even when he & W tried to blackmail Ops ![]() |
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blackcondor1 |
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Pattyko,
Quote: That would be interesting to see these 2 trying to blackmail Operations. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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NIGHTJESSI |
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Quote:Patty, I think this stems back to Ops thinking he could control Birky. Also, the fact that Birky was so good at what he did made him somewhat indispensable to Section. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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blackcondor1 |
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Birkoff is a computer genius typical of the the spy world. I was just thinking of Noise where Walter commented that Birkoff never really paid too much attention at his firearms training, and that is why he was almost killed. Computers were his world, and it took Nikita to show him the world outside Section.
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