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I apologize to anyone who might have been looking for this thread earlier. I was still in the midst of watching the episode and now I'm working on my commentary. In the meantime, please feel free to share your thoughts if you already have them ready. I can't wait to hear your feedback on this one.
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This episode always makes me wonder what the deal is between Maddy and Ops. I do think N is right that they were lovers. When Ops breaks through the shield to get to Maddy, I just wonder what they might have been like when they were together. And my curiosity is piqued even more when he mentions that he wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for Maddy. What could that incident possibly have been? Anyone have any theories?
Another thing that gets my head spinning in this episode is how M seems like he's about to say something to N in the mission van when Birky breaks in with the results of their tests. Do you think if M hadn't been interrupted or if they had found out that they were infected that he would have finally told her how he really felt? Speaking of feelings, I thought it was wild that Walter was just dealing with Belinda's death in the last episode and now, Birky is dealing with losing Gail. Granted, he really didn't have very much time dwell on that loss due to the contamination. But I think he's better off not being with someone who is so flighty. I still can't see what she could possibly see in Jenklow over Birky, even if Jenklow was older. I was really impressed with how much of a man Birky was, especially under the conditions that he had to function. It's surprising sometimes who comes through in a crisis. I loved the exchange between Ops and Birky and how he stood his ground because he knew what was the right thing to do. Wow! ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Birky gets an A+ in this eppy
Ms Gail founded out earlythat the" grass was,nt greener on the other side" being mad , and calming her down some what also. Jessi I was wondering what M was about to say to N. . She didn,t seem to worried to me . More like an Oh WEll, |
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I have just re-watched the episode, and will make my this week's report short and sweet.
I liked the episode. It showed that sometimes lack of patience, like on the part of Operations at the beginning of the episode, can endanger the whole Section and turn it inside out. Madeline was correct to assume that the intel on Glasgow was incomplete, when she protested Operations' actions in killing the prisoner she was interrogating. Michael was so "appropriate" with Nikita when she suggested that a relationship in Section was possible. He was practically denying his feelings about her. And poor Birkoff was really sad when Gail announced that it was over between them. Of course, he was also very innocent and refused to believe that she had left him for another guy. The scene in the abandoned "house"/terrorist lab was very spooky - one might have expected something like what happened to actually happen. Thank Goodness that Michael and Nikita did not follow Mowen inside. Upon the team's return Mowen proceeds to Munitions, where he infects Walter with the anthrax he picked up while in Glasgow, and then proceeds to talk to Gail in Comm where he infects God knows how many others before anyone even realises it. Birkoff immediately thinks Mowen is Gail's new boyfriend, but soon realises that Gail's new man is Janklow from Biotech. He is very disappointed in her, but does his best not to show it. He then notices that Mowen is still in Comm and tells him to go. Mowen is on his way out, but suddenly collapses in a violent fit and all H*ll breaks loose. In the meantime, Michael and Nikita find a dead hostile in the grass, but naturally Operations orders them to process the body on site. At the same time Janklow comes running into Comm and tells Birkoff that Mowen was infected with a variant of anthrax, and that they need to initiate segmentation because they have been infected. I must note here that it is really cool how Section can run blood tests via the electronic and communications means. They can test Michael and Nikita without them having to get back to Section. In Medlab poor Mowen dies a very horrible death, and Section gives him nothing for the pain so as "not to skew the data". Luckily, Michael and Nikita match the dead terrorists's fingerprint and send it over to Birkoff, who finds a connection to Anatole Bisseroff - a Red Cell associate with a background in bio-weapons. It becomes clear that Section has been set up. As Michael and Nikita proceed to find Bisseroff, and Birkoff is still communicating with Madeline, she starts to exhibit symptoms of the contagion herself, and switched off her video to conceal that fact. Naturally, the anthrax is spreading through the Section as wildfire. Operatives start dying in plain sight. When Madeline "fails to fix" her video, Operations asks Birkoff to patch him in. apparently she has more than one camera installed in her office. It is then that he realises that Madeline is sick. Strangely, he seems to be more worried about that than she is. We can really see here that he has feelings for her. Michael and Nikita get Bisseroff, but he is afraid for his wife and children who are hostages of the Red Cell and will be killed if he talks. Michael "promises" to get Bisseroff's family back, but of course, has Birkoff to produce 2D Harley transform that makes it appear Section have Bisseroff's family when they in fact do not. At that moment in Comm, one of the operatives, Andy, collapses, and Janklow really freaks out and tries to break out of the containment barrier. It takes Birkoff to talk some sense into Janklow. (One can only imagine that this guy is headed straight for abeyance! Operations contacts Madeline, but she sounds very weak. It is then that Operations orders Birkoff to open his cell. He yells at Birkoff and even threatens him, but, to the guy's credit, Birkoff refuses to follow that order. Operations is very angry, and even Gail asks Birkoff if that was the right thing to do. Birkoff, however, simply proceeds with his work and tells her that "it's fine".Operations has his own way. He shoots at the shield and then kicks and punches his way through it, to the horror of the onlooking operatives. His path is riddled with the black-clad dead bodies. He breaks into Madeline's office and comes immediately to her side. It is in that scene that his true feelings for her appear. It becomes obvious that they used to be partners on their missions as well as lovers. And this quote from Operations is my absolute favourite: "I always thought I'd regret things I've done. Instead I regret things I didn't do." This scene between the two is so sad yet so romantic. (Just about as romantic as it can get between Operations and Madeline). Michael and Nikita with the aid of Birkoff's electronic deception finally manage to break Bisseroff, and to obtain the necessary antibiotic. Meanwhile, in Comm, all too late Gail realises that she has "backed the wrong horse" and tries to get Birkoff to be her boyfriend again. Naturally, Birkoff has got his pride and no longer trusts her, so he blows her off. Like a gentleman, he does it very politely, by changing the subject. Only an hour before Michael and Nikita are due back, Operations dictates his log. He is seemingly weak, and just as he finishes his dictation we can see that he is also now infected. Finally our two heroes are back, just in time to rescue everyone who is still alive and save the Section. Recovering in Med lab some time later, Madeline notes to Operations that there "was a fair amount of panic and emotion". She suggests to "reevaluate the personnel. Get rid of the deadwood." - One can just imagine lots of cancellations and transfers into abeyance after this Birkoff comes in, and Madeline calls him up commending him on his cool head during the crisis. Operations starts off by saying that "Birkoff exhibited more control was even necessary". One thinks *uh-huh* but then Operations continues, with a small hint of a smile, that he is grateful. And finally, it is revealed to Nikita that the liberation of Bisseroff's family from the hands of Red Cell was just a deception. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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D@MAN BIRKOFF AND HIS LOUSY TIMING!!!
OOOOOOkkkaaaaaayyyyy.....now that I've got that off my chest...I can go on Jessi-- Quote: I think so too. I dont know what happened, but its clear that they still have feelings for each other( over the episodes we see that the only time when either of them show some kind of genuine wmotion is for each other, when the other is in danger). Also they do play around much: when Ops asks Maddy for dinner she refuses, now it seems like its the other way around .Makes me wonder: does she really want him to stop trying to "open things up"? Quote: Very interesting question, but I think I'll pass on that one. I'll just say that in a way...they do fit together: she's all controlled and he's explosive and emotional (with her- well, most of the times- I haven't forgotten UTRH when he was ready to remove her from her position) Quote: I assume it was that incident when he got shot( I can't remember the exact title of the episode) and she gave those doctors such a great pep talk: "This room will contain ether 4 living men, or 4 bodies." If it weren't for her, they would probably have given up so...he does owe her his life Quote: See my above comment about Birky. I'm gonna have to have a talk with Birkoff : DO NOT under any circumstances go interrupt M&N when they are together!!! I don't know, but he sure seemed like he was going to say something good to her...I'm not sure if he would have revealed ALL of his feelings, but I'm sure he would have said something in the lines he had said in War ( without the lying part of course)Quote: She seemed like a high school girl being all excited to go out with a college student. Quote: Birkoff was a real hero in this episode. I'm VERY proud of him!! Anansiimoj-- Quote: Technically they werent infected yet. It was just a possibility and all those from Section were so my guess is that she thought if they were to get infected they would have gotten it by then. And another thing she was with Michael!!! nuf said! Blackcondor-- Quote: I didn't get that impresion. She was practically asking him to do something regarding THEIR relationship and he was just tempering her enthusiasm Quote: True. that scene got to me too and I'm certainly NOT a O&Ma fan!! Of course it lasted for about 0.2 secs untill Maddy regained her personality Quote: That Gail annoys me. And again, I'm proud of Birkoff ![]() |
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blackcondor1 |
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Pattyko,
Quote: The episode you are referring to is New Regime, and at first I thought that it was the exact situation Operations was referring to. But now I am not so sure. Something Madeline says in this scene, in the nature of : "you would have made it out on your own". "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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loan31,
Quote: Actually neither Michael nor Nikita were concerned when he said: "We could die." That was so typical of Michael, BTW. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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NIGHTJESSI,
Quote: She probably thought that Janklow would be more of a man, more of a hero, than Birkoff, but she was wrong: it was Birkoff who was the more heroic of the 2. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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JESSI --
Quote:Tough call. In his own Michael way, he'd probably have put her mind at ease about his feelings without becoming completely vulnerable to her. Quote:He'd come a looong way from NOISE, hadn't he? Pattyko -- Quote:Do you honestly think Madeline told him she did that? I wouldn't think so. blackcondor -- Quote:Thanks...I knew there was a reason I thought that incident happened in the distant past! Quote:Why should they? It was an everyday fact of life in Section. I thought Gail was very immature in her whole handling of this situation, although I DO give her points for TRYING to keep it away from Birkoff to spare his feelings. ![]() GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. ![]() NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo |
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Quote: No...but I'm sure he found out about that. An besides...she did tell him to "live" ... my guess is that would be as close an emotional moment we'll have from Maddy towards Ops openly.And in the same episode she did say that he has a strong will. You KNOW she would just underestimate herself here, not taking credit for saving his life, when in fact we all know that she did. P.S: What happened to "if it didn't happen or has been referred to directly on screen, it didn't happen"?? ![]() |
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Was on vacation, watched the show today.
I was kinda sad to see Gail didn't come back. No, I didn't think she was right for Birky, but one thing I wish Section had was more folks that lasted more than a few episodes. And speaking of Birkoff, he had cojones of steel to say No to Ops. I was impressed, and liked his story. The only complaint I had was so little screen time for N. |
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Quote:Well, loan31, I really think that Birky was correct when he said that the shields weren't impenetrable from what was already contained inside them. But as time went on, he could tell what Gail needed to hear and that's why he tries to calm her down. Even though she hurt him, he was the bigger person to still be a good guy. I love that about him. Quote:I like your interpretation of the title, blackcondor. Ops always gets upset with N's sentimentality and her going with her emotion, and look what he does here. Maybe part of the reason he can't stand N's free spirit is because he is one aching to be free. Quote:I really felt for Birky when he was having the talk with Walter. Of course, Walter's been through relationships many more times than Birky. But still, Birky wanted to believe the best in people. I couldn't believe that Gail wouldn't have told Jenklow to keep it cool between them instead of flaunting the relationship in front of Birky. Then again, it seemed that Jenklow went into Comm on purpose to talk in front of Birky to stake his claim. What a jerk! Quote:Yeah, that is some pretty amazing technology. And thank goodness for that. Otherwise, who knows if anyone would have been saved? Quote:That is a classic and definitely one of those sayings worthy of a life motto. Quote:You never know how Ops is going to react, especially to someone challenging his authority. But he knew, in this instance, he was in the wrong and punishing Birky for following protocol could just undermine Ops' authority in the future. Quote:Patty, it's certainly a strange relationship. I wonder if Maddy, emotionless as she usually is, is flattered by Ops' attention but has to pull herself in every now and then so she doesn't get carried away with emotion. Also, a romantic liaison between the two can cause complications down the line, such as when they disagree on how to handle something. Quote:I love how the least likely hero is the one who saves the day. Wow! Quote:Yeah, kg, M would always be thinking of the contingency and might still want to protect himself and N "just in case" somehow things turned around. Quote:ITA, QuiGonJ. LFN was known for its arcs, which is more than some shows do, but it would have been fun to see more recurring characters who pop up in several episodes. Then again, Gail wasn't in back-to-back episodes but instead appeared in both S1 and S2. Also, it was great for her to show up again to show how much Birky has matured and grown since Noise. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Jessi--
Quote: Ops is certainly NOT the type to wanna be free, since we know he willingly left his life and wife and joined Section!! Quote: To me, those two deserved each other. I mean it's obvious that Gail and that Jenklow guy have been seeing each other for some time now. And she only told Birkoff now. That means she had been seing them both at the same time. Gross. So she was a she-jerk, just as much as Jenklow! ![]() |
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Pattyko --
Quote:True, but I still don't think that's the incident to which she was referring. Quote:SOMETHING prior to s1 was referred to on-screen. We just don't know WHAT it was! JESSI -- Quote:I agree. Birkoff was trying to "soften the blow" to make her feel better. Quote:I got the impression that Jenklow was just clueless. He came across as very self-involved. I don't think he did it on purpose as much as he just doesn't pay much attention to anything outside of what matters to HIM! Quote:He probably would have said something like "You know a lot about me Nikita, but not everything. There are things that have to remain hidden. But it has nothing to do with how I feel about you." ![]() GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. ![]() NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo |
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Quote:Good point, Patty, about Ops wanting to stay in Section. Maybe he just tries to quash N's will because she does remind him of his own sometimes lack of control over his emotions. Quote:That could very well be the case, kg. After all, Jenklow seemed to think he was Mr. Biotech Extraordinaire before everything went down. He probably didn't even see Birky as competition of any kind. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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KG--
Quote: I was SURE you were going to say that!! Jessi-- Quote: I would say you are correct!! ![]() |
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Like Blackcondor, I also found myself wondering if the " dead weight," Madeline intended on removing at the end of the ep. would include Jenklow.
I really enjoy the Ops/Maddy romantic tangle, I thought it was especially cute at the end when Ops " fetched" Madeline some water after she said, " I'm thirsty." It was said in a kind of coquettish, " take care of me," tone. As Micheal said, Ops and Maddy have known each other for a long time, so I'm convinced that the incident Ops spoke of did indeed happen in the past although, I have never seen him express his gratitude to Micheal or Nikita when they have successfully covered his assets as graciously as he did with Madeline. |
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JESSI --
Quote:That's the impression I got...he hardly even NOTICED him! Pattyko -- Quote:Then, why ask the question? ![]() GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. ![]() NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo |
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Quote:I would certainly hope so, anansiimoj. Talk about cracking under pressure! He's in Biotech for goodness' sake. He should have been able to keep things under control instead of almost exposing more people in Section to the virus. Quote:Yeah, you could tell he was still feeling guilty for being such a jerk at the top of the episode. He wanted to do everything he could for Maddy because he realized how much he cared for her when he almost lost her. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Anansiimoj--
Quote: Oh...I'm sure he was history after that freaking out show he pulled there! KG-- Quote: I was just playing around Jessi-- Quote: You know there were soem cartoons with a big ugly guy and a cute bird and the guy used to always say: "Ain't that cute? ( in a soft voice) and then add yelling like h3ll : "But it"s WRONG!" Now that's kinda like I feel about Ops& Ma ![]() |
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Pattyko --
Quote:NO! Really? I had no idea! ![]() GOTTA HAVE MICHAEL'S JOYSTICK! I have command. ![]() NIKITA: "You're going to kill me?" MICHAEL: "No. I'll shoot you in the leg and carry you back. But, it'll be easier for both of us if you can walk." "In life there is always some evil, some good. Between the two of them, we just have to do what we can." -- Michel Gagné (Roy Dupuis) in Scoop III "Love is not the neat thing you expect it to be. Love doesn't make things nice. It might ruin you. It makes things a mess. And it's never perfect." -- Thomas Schumacher (Roy Dupuis) in Waiting for Michelangelo |
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