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NIGHTJESSI |
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I'm still in the process of watching this one, but feel free to start the discussion if you're already ready.
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The opening scene shows Michael and Nikita during on a mission. Nikita gets the necessary intel to Birkoff , but gets trapped in the office. She calls out to Michael, who leaves his position and helps her get out, but is then captured himself, by a terrorist who uses something that looks like a stun gun (I had to research this device on the net) on him from behind.
In this episode, the Section operatives have to fight their usual enemy the Red Cell. This time they are after Orlando (?) Perez, a Red Cell tactician who arranges kidnappings of highly positioned people, and then uses them as involuntary sources. They show the scene inside the Perezs human experimentation/torture lab. The terrorists use a cage to bring Michael inside the lab. Perez then injects Michael with some drug, and we can see him passing what appear to be glass cells or refrigerators (?) full of barely alive brain dead people. Eek! Meanwhile, at the Section, Nikita interjects during a mission briefing telling Operations that Michael is valuable and they should rescue him. Operations says that there is the option of killing him, but then notes that Michael is Class 5 so he wont be sacrificed unnecessarily. -- The latter comment actually surprised me, since normally Operations is not the one to care about his operatives. Birkoff manages to find Perezs lover a Ms Ying Kam, and the bad girl is brought in for interrogation. Operations enters Madelines office to send her to the White Room, and finds her in the company of a stunning young valentine operative, Russell Burke. One can see how jealous Operations gets, when he looks up Russells profile. Naturally, he decides to send him on a suicide mission. Surprisingly, Madeline does not seem to care, but one can see her accessing Russells file on her computer as Operations is leaving. When, at the end of the episode, he tells her that Russell is still single sourced (?) in some areas one actually wonders whether she has altered his file. The interrogation chair used by Red Cell looks almost like the White Room chair apart from the strange drugging etc. machine that sticks into Michael. Michael is helpless, he is so drugged that when he is asked Perez asks his name, he tells him his real name. But when he is asked where he works, he resists. The interrogator increases the drug dosage, and in two hours Michael is interrogated again this time the drugs blood concentration is so high, that the interrogator warns Perez, that Michael soon will be damaged. This time Michael reaches breaking point, and starts talking by answering Perez that he works for Section One. He is about to break when the Section operatives attack the building, and the automatic weapons fire scares away both the Red Cell strategist and his expert interrogator. When freed by Nikita from the torture machine, Michael cannot remember her or even who he is, so it takes her some time to convince him to come with her. Upon returning to Section, Michael is completely helpless without his memory, and Nikita realizes that she must do something to save him. She takes him to her apartment, draws his blood, and when they are called in to prepare for the next part of the mission, she gives the vial of blood to Walter, whom she has to tell the truth. Walter is a really good sport though he understands that he also has to keep Michaels condition secret from Operations and Madeline. The mission part they go out on next would have been quite simple if Michael had his memory. But memory or understanding is not his strong point at the mission, thus the whole outcome of the mission gets dependent on Nikitas competence. There is one scene that I find almost funny when Michael walks into the room full of Perezs guards and they demand to know what he is doing there and on the other end Operations and Birkoff tell him to act he says I am looking for the library. Thats a classic! Thanks to Nikitas competence in her tradecraft, and Birkoffs quick realization that he had to change the profile mid-mission and order everybody in, Perez is captured, and Michael is rescued once again, still without his memory. Luckily Walter finds the antidote for the limbic suppressors (??) that were used on Michael, and Nikita gets it to him at the Med Lab just in time. And, just as she injects the antidote into his IV, Michael tells her that he loves her. This is SO romantic just like the scene when he danced with her and tried to kiss her at her apartment earlier in the episode. The next morning Michael wakes up as himself again, and Nikita has to tell him what happened to him, because he does not remember being captured or anything that happened since then in the past 3 days. And he is very sincere when he says thank you to Nikita for protecting him from Madeline and Operations. I found this episode to be a bit unusual, in the sense that it was unusual to see Michael so helpless. But it is also partly romantic, and, on occasions, even almost funny. Not a bad episode at all. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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I've always liked this episode because we get a glimpse into the emotional side of M. I always crack up when he says he must be a real jerk, and I feel for N when M asks if he ever told her he loves her and then he says he does. Even though she knew the M she was with wasn't the normal M, I do think it felt good for her to know how he felt.
I am still puzzled by how long it took Ops to realize something was wrong with M. Granted, M had help from N, but wouldn't he have had to debrief from the Perez mission? It seems like somewhere along the way he would have slipped long before he was "looking for the library," but perhaps M's normally terse and vague comments were a help here. Speaking of that, what did you think of the canceled scene? I noticed Jon Cassar didn't mention why this one was cut, so I'm guessing it was just because of time. While I dig the fashion on LFN, I tend not to follow it too closely and just like the way it looks. But I thought N looked particularly sharp in her limo driver outfit. Quote:I wondered about that, blackcondor, but knowing Maddy she wouldn't do anything like that. Even if she was fond of Russell, she knows anything she does to alter files could come back to haunt her, and she also doesn't get emotionally attached. I think she was just having fun with Russell and also liked how worked up Ops got over it. When she turned him down for dinner and then went off with Russell, you could almost see the steam coming out of Ops' ears! Quote:What a moment! I understood why N didn't allow it to go any further, but I wished somehow she did. M was so tender, and I loved how he laid his head on her shoulder. Sigh. * * * * * * SPOILERS FOR S3 * * * * * * One thing that struck me this time was how M was concerned about letting his family know that something had happened to him. N thinks it's just the amnesia, but maybe M was subconsciouly thinking about Elena and Adam. Speaking of which, what did Elena think was going on during the three days that M's memory was gone? Did she just assume he was in a very long conference where he couldn't make any calls? ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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loan31 |
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Shame TPTB made M lose his memory to show his love and affection for N. Right title NOT WAS. N was strong I think I would,ve had a memory lost
alsoNJ , have I been too much
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NIGHTJESSI |
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Quote:Loan31, we are going in the order of the episodes on the DVDs. NW is Episode 13 on the discs, and FL and OH are Episodes 15 and 16 respectively. Next up is DD. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Unregistered(d) |
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Good Evening, All!
First, the cancelled scene, where Nikita is instructing Michael: I really liked this. It really shows the student teaching the teacher and I wish there had been time to keep it in the episode. Michael just looks so confused and nervous. Totally dependent on his girl. There are some really cool scenes in this ep I wanted to mention: 1. When Michael tosses the scumball down the stairs in the teaser. Smooth. 2. When Nikita and Michael meet up in the club, and he guides her hand to his gun.....**wiping the drool off my chin now** 3. When Nikita tells Michael he is an anti-terrorist agent, and he replies, with a snicker, "No I'm not!" Roy must have had a lot of fun with this ep. He did a remarkable job, keeping enough of Michael there, but acting to be completely normal, albeit very confused! Roy even let a little Michael shine through: Michael's instincts kicked in during the "rescue" mission, when he is shot at (and missed). He immediately gets into his shooting squat and nails the scumbag! Question for those with enough time to look it up: Is Ms. Can (the mistress) the same actress who played Ms. Park in Brainwashed? "It took me four days to find Nikita. That leaves eleven"
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loan31 |
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I can,t put that one on
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NIGHTJESSI |
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Quote:Wasn't it amazing to see N step up to the plate, elevendaze? Thank goodness she was as good of an op as she was, or M would have been in big trouble. Quote:That was hilarious. He's just lucky he's a good enough op to have instincts to shoot before shot at, or he might not have made it out of there alive. Quote:According to the Internet Movie Database, Janet Lo played Chan Park in Brainwash, while Jean Yoon played Ying Kam in this one. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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Unregistered(d) |
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Jessi - Ain't Google awesome!? Thanks! Guess I'll learn one day.
"It took me four days to find Nikita. That leaves eleven"
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NIGHTJESSI |
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Well, Google is awesome, but I've been using the Internet Movie Database for a long time for actor questions since it has a pretty full list of guest appearances for LFN.
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Unregistered(d) |
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Yes, I'm caught up again. And before I go further, blackcondor1 is doing an amazing job on the episode recaps, so I just want to applaud and say thank you! Nice work!
This episode was also one of my favorites of the season. It was almost as if they gave Roy a chance to wisecrack about his character. "I must be a real jerk" and "You don't know me after three years?" So in that sense I thought it was really fun. And I'm surprised no one has commented on M saying "I love you" to N, cause I think M really meant it. I liked how TPTB also gave Ops a chance at humanity, not killing Burke and in letting M and N think they got away with the anomaly. Oh, and I noticed the goteed twins quite visibly in the German club sequence. The only thing in the plot that seemed they messed up on/dropped were those naked people in the refrigerators(?). Did they get those poor people out of there? Were they useful other than as a reason to get Perez? |
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blackcondor1 |
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QuiGonJ,
Quote: Well, thank you for reading them "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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NIGHTJESSI |
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Quote:I could imagine the on-stage banter while filming this one, QuiGonJ. Quote:Well, I said a bit about it above, and ITA that he meant it. It was a window into a completely emotional M, and that had to be interesting for N who admittedly doesn't know the real M so well. Quote:I would assume so. Wasn't there a deleted scene featuring these people or similar people that was floating around somewhere, or was that just my 'magi-na-a-tion? ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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blackcondor1 |
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NIGHTJESSI,
Quote: Actually I seem to vaguely recall that deleted scene, too. Those people were taken to Section and were on the tables inside what seemed like a morgue, and the doctor ro someone was talking about them as if they were dead, but at least one of them was actually moving. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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NIGHTJESSI |
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I feel like I saw a scene featuring Maddy and Walter, where it showed them in an area where these people were in Section. Am I confusing that with something else? I can almost hear Jon Cassar talking about it, so it must have been on the DVDs. Someone please help!
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blackcondor1 |
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NIGHTJESSI,
Yes, I think that was the scene. "Sometimes all we have is our dreams." Michael Samuelle
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This is my most favourite episode from Season 2!!
Quote: Well, he didn't actually. His first instinct was to just "kill him" * * * * * SPOILERS * * * * * He was thinking of the blood cover perhaps. Wouldn't want Vachek to be a failure. Or he was just trying to get her shut up, since she wasn't going to let go. GO GIRL!!!! Quote: That didn't surprise me at all. After all, this is Maddy we're talking here. Actually I am surprised at Ops on that one : I think he told her he'd send Russell on that mission, just to check her reaction. He must know better, than expect Maddy to have a reaction whatsoever. If one can hide our emotions well, making you wonder if she has any, that's our Maddy ( OK, and Michael too, but he's not on the spot here Quote: Nah... I dont think shed do sth like that, for a roll in the hay. Besides, Ops has seen the file before she pulled it so it would be too obvious on her behalf to alter it now. Quote: Just "almost"? The whole episode is funny. It cracks me up, especially, as Elevendaze also pointed out, "When Nikita tells Michael he is an anti-terrorist agent, and he replies, with a snicker, "No I'm not!" "-- That cracks me up bigtime, when in Section he almost passes by his office- TWICE-, when he's so confused that he is not going to the library, when the says he must be a real jerk, and the list can go on. Quote: Same here. Big HR moment!!! I think it was better for us, hearing him say what he felt. And I do believe he meant it too. with his memory, all of his protective layers he had put between him and his feelings for Nikita, just vanished. As for N..... I thing it was really painful for her, hearing him say those words, but knowing that the real M would never say that to her ( Aw, Nikita, be patient.... He'll SHOW you how much he loves you, SOON ) Quote: Same here. Ops was a bit slow in this ep. And what puzzled me as well, was that after the mission, the first time, was that Ops asked M about Perezes RP, and not only that M had no idea what that was, and that N just stood there with the two of them, but sghe answered for him. As far as Ops' POV, she just butted in. Didn't he find that strange???? And ITA about N's outfit. She looked great. Black and white combination always gets me. Quote: I bet he regrets not sending him on that mission. On the other hand, I think the real reason he didnt send him to be killed, is because it would have been TOO obviousQuote: OMG! Indeed, what a moment!! She just closes her eyes....living the moment I guess. A part of me wanted her to go further, but... that would have just made things more difficult for her, so.... I'm proud that she didn't! After all, that wasn't the real M. She wants HER M to dance with her.... sigh...When I first saw the episodes, I used to take notes...tell the ep "in details". I read them now and I wrote there that M was afraid to let N take his blood. I remember the scene aired here, quite well, slight different than that on the DVD: N took M's hand to take his blood, and he pulled away the first time, asking what was she doing. She either said it wasn't going to hurt, or she just said she needs to take his blood, I can't remember exaclty. But that always stroke me as funny; M being afraid of a needle. * * * * * SPOILERS * * * * * Quote: I think it was just him being "normal". The first thought was to let his family know he was OK. Elena on the other hand.....that is one gullible woman! I'm sure he just took an expanded business trip. Quote: Same here. I LOVE that scene. And I remember the first time I saw the ep..... I was shocked until I realized she was just going for his gun( No pun intended OK, now another thing that puzzles me : how did N know the code from M's office? That has always struck me odd, even more that Ops not knowing that something was wrong. And N just slamming him to the wall, while getting him out of where he had been captured. My but she was pretty aggressive there. This whole episode, made me feel for M as weel. Through N we got to see how it is on the other side. I could feel N's pain, convincing him to get over whatever feelings he was having, so I can only imagine how much it hurt him as well when trying to get N to her senses, seeing her not caring for her life at times.... Now she literally got to be in his shoes ![]() |
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I loved this one Michael was so clueless and funny. It must have been fun for Roy to make fun of his character after being so serious through all the other episodes. I felt sorry for Michael because he was lost in a strange scary place. Of all the places to loose your memory section is not the place! I was always suprised that operations and Madeline didn't find out sooner that M didn't know what he was doing. But I guess Madeline had alot of other things going and Operations was to busy being jealous
Watching that part put a big smile on my face! Quote: She is in there all the time. Nikitas the only person that I remember that he ever secured the room for. |
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Quote:That is too much, Patty. Then again, if you really felt like you hadn't been there before, how would you know where anything was in a place like Section? Again, though, it's amazing how no one noticed M was off. Quote:Yeah, that should have tipped him off right there, but perhaps Ops was chalking it up to M just being rescued and being a bit out of sorts. When Ops, M and Birky were in Systems, though, it should have been a big tipoff whe M didn't even know what a sim was called. Duh! Quote:M being afraid of anything is so strange given what a great op he is. Quote:It threw me off initially, but I chalked it up to N and M only using the code when they wanted to talk privately, so M had given her the code or she had seen what the code was when he keyed it in. It's possible. Quote:I wonder what Roy's reaction to this episode is, ShadesOfGrey, Ladies who went to Rivers and/or MIRA, can you shed any light on if this question has ever been asked of Roy? * * * * * SPOILERS FOR S3 * * * * * * Quote:I think it was both, Patty. At this point, M was too valuable to sacrifice, which is interesting considering how willing Ops was to throw M to the wolves in Rescue. Then again, that was also part of a covert mission so that was different. ~*~ Keeper of the Nocturnal Flame ~*~
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"When Nikita and Michael meet up in the club, and he guides her hand to his gun.....**wiping the drool off my chin now**"
Elevendaze and Pattyko, I loved this scene as well! Talk about hot -- I catch my breath every time that scene comes on and have to stop what ever I am doing to watch. Nightjessi, isn't Nikita's long coat gorgeous? She wore a red version of that coat a few episodes back. I would kill for that coat! This episode as well as the two previous ones are probably my favorites for season two. Michael is so emotionally open here and it hurts just a little to see him return to being reserved. |
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Unregistered(d) |
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Quote: Quote: I've "been" in Section almost every day now and I'd still get lost there, without memory loss Quote: M had to secure himself, because when N talked to him....it was clear something had to be done....not in Section-way of course Quote: Yes....but even so... Ops wasn't all that concerned about killing M even in this episode at first....as for Rescue....the blood cover plot probably hadn't been developed yet. Quote: That's true ![]() |
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